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what's up everybody happy thursday it's

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5 p.m central standard time

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and we have a very special guest melinda

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leslie today now she researches a whole

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lot of different topics

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but today i thought we could

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maybe hone in on a couple of those

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my labs military

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abduction so to speak

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and uh the working group a couple pieces

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uh that she focuses on

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for her research now until she gets here

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um

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i figured i could maybe talk about

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this whole um

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uh drone ufo pyramid scenario around the

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us navy ships in 2019

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now the drive's coming out with articles

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that are um

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where they're using the information that

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pretty much came from

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uh the government that that uh you know

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flat out says that these things are

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are uas or uav or drones and they

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release some videos

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uh recently which you know of course

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like most ufo videos leave a bit um

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you know to be desired so to speak

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they're they're nothing spectacular

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they're just like ufo videos

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they're they're blurry so you can kind

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of say that they probably are ufos

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in that regard right

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um but

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there's a whole lot of back and forth on

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uh

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moultrie said that they're

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that they're uas so that's what they are

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at the at the congressional hearings

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they said that

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and these uh this drive article comes

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you know

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so that's what it is

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you know they're they're not ufos case

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closed

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you know my take on this is

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and i know this happened in 1953 but

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i'll keep saying it is the robertson

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panel the robertson panel their main

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objective was to debunk

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uh ufos to make people feel like idiots

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if they reported to ufo

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to make people seem crazy if they talked

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and that stigma

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that that plan was very effective

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you know to to the point where they

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successfully made it a taboo

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subject

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you know and here we are in 2022

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uh with these

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these uh stories about uh the 2019 ships

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and the drone swarms or ufo swarms

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whatever you want to call it

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and they're giving us information the

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government is to

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verify pretty much what they're saying

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which is prosaic these things are prozac

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here's my thing even if that is true

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i'll never believe it i'll never believe

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it unless they show me

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unless

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they somehow teleport me back in time

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and put me there and i see it for myself

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and it's not because they are ufos or

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because

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they've muddied the water so much over

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the past few decades that i really have

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a hard time believing anything that they

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you know unless it's going to be

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and now they made their bed and they're

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lying in it and it's always going to be

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confused

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and it's not because of people like us

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trying to make something out of nothing

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it's because there's a real phenomenon

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that they've admitted to

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and have debunked for decades ridiculed

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and now they expect us just to

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believe

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what they say you know

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no these are drones here look at the

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paperwork uas here it is look at it

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don't you believe me

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frankly no i don't believe you

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but that doesn't mean

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that i just think they're their pyramids

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you know

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like we're in this scenario well you

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either believe jeremy corbell and

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georgian airport or you believe the

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government

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which one is it

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i don't have to pick

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believe them you know i'm watching the

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and to me it's like two people

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boxing in a ring

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corbel throws his punches and throws out

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his evidence the government comes out

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and and you know shows their evidence

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you know

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but neither of them are conclusive

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evidence to the viewer

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you know

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and both sides of this can talk all they

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want about

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you know you're

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you're not looking at the facts man

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or you're making this what you want it

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to be man i'm personally i'm not making

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it anything i'm just watching them both

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go at it with things that aren't

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you know and it's both on them to

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you know it

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it kind of is what it is at this point

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and it's unfortunate

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that that's uh the kind of environment

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but that's what we're in

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and it's the dod's fault and it's the

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air force's fault

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we're getting these waters so muddy

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that people have

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you know deciphering fact from fiction

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you know and that's not fair and that's

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why they have to do something about it

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the government that is which is be

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truthful and how are they going to get

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people to

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you know even believe

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they are being truthful when they are

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that we have to deal with and it stinks

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but

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it is what it is

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you know so you do have to

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try to seek some personal truth and all

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this because both sides just try to pull

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you

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armed arm from arm they just try to pull

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you back and forth

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you know

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but in my opinion you can't let him do

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you know i hope jeremy corbell comes out

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with stuff that is more

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definitive

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you know whether it be witness testimony

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or

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thing as a pyramid

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saying this thing is a pyramid i saw

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pyramids

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you know

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that would be

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and because he hasn't doesn't mean i

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think don't think they were either i

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don't think anything either way

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i'm just watching the show

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while i look up documents

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that the

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the air force the fb heads

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because it's a real phenomenon that they

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didn't just they didn't and still don't

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i think

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now what i'm going to do is

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i think we have a little

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melinda has some sort of

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problem right now

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so what i'm going to do is put up those

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uh videos because you know it's

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something to do while i call her trying

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to be quite honest with you so

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um that's what i will do so hang tight

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with me and i'll play those videos for

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you

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while i try to see what's up with

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tail numbers are unknown

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there's a snoopy team leader on board

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uss russell in position three two five

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eight eight north one one nine zero six

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west operating the socal off area with

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core zero three four true speeds one

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five knots at time zero nine three seven

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zulu

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we have visual of one possible uas with

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course zero three four true contacts

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operating in a range of four thousand

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flashing red

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[Music]

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this is uss paul hamilton collecting

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visual information today's date is 30

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july 2019 zulu time is zero nine three

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zero we're in vicinity of three two five

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four three six one north one one nine

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to west on course 2270 at speed 5 knots

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there are multiple uas and vicinity of

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cpa 100 feet in altitude off the bow

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so as you can see those videos kind of

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stink right

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what do they do for anybody absolutely

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nothing but yet they give these out to

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the drive and whoever and go here i told

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you so

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can't you tell

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no i can't tell

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i can't tell at all so just freaking get

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lost until you have something a little

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more definitive would you

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all right so

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um

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melinda has showed up she had some

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issues with the log in

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could be my fault i'll blame it on

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stream yard it's all their fault

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they don't want her here for some reason

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but we got through it and she's here so

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without further ado i will bring in the

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one the only

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oh leslie how are you hi there good oh

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lighting's not good but here i'll close

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a curtain one moment guys i'll close the

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curtain because that lighting

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is making me

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not good oh it's okay

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yeah well it's my nose open here

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and i have to close it

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yeah no problem all right yeah that'll

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well i'm glad you're here yeah i'm glad

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to be here you guys sorry i had a

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problem signing in i couldn't

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get in the way i was going in i tried

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another way and finally got it to work

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okay it's a streamy

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yeah i'm wondering if it was whatever it

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was

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the link on the email didn't work but

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luckily you'd give me another link and i

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was able to cut and paste it into

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messenger and get it from there

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all right fair enough that's awesome so

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um now that you're here yeah

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how are you

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i'm doing great sorry about all that i

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just uh don't apologize you know a

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little bit of emergency that made me get

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set up just on time and then it took me

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10 minutes to get in so

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well no i'm glad you're here and i was

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telling them that that you know you have

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a plethora of different things that you

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research and and look at but i figured

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today we would um try to focus on a

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couple topics which yeah you know where

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my lab's military abductions now i know

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you don't like the term we'll get into

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that later yeah and then and then

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there's uh

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the working group

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and i thought we could discuss the

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working group sure

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now

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research that you put into this

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and we got to fit it in in about a half

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you know tell me a little bit about that

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research how it started what the working

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group is and and where it's at now

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hold on i'm just trying to get position

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here because everything's set up funny

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um for doing this

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sorry about that

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okay um

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um what do you want to know first

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well yeah so how did you why did you

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start uh researching the working group

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you know who's involved with it and

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where is it now

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it's

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all started with um

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i'm also a trained remote viewer

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and i went to

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hear a talk at mufon los angeles when i

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was living in southern california i was

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very active and move on la and mufon

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orange county move on mutual ufo network

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and i want to hear

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a talk

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by ed dames

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and uh

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famous remote viewer

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and uh

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at the end of the talk i had had my

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training from couple different people

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not from him

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at the end of the talk i brought up

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how his training was different from jack

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calc one of the people i'd had drinking

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with

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and he kind of said oh he does it

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completely different it's not the same

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blah blah blah

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and then i brought up the training of

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someone else i had it from oh different

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you know and that was during the

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question and answer period standing at

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the the mic

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well as the event ended i'm trying to

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get better position here

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sorry

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oh yeah

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yeah yeah as the event

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everybody pours out of the back of the

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room and out into the parking lot and i

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stayed late to talk to some people that

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i knew that were there and i had plans

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to go meet up with a bunch of people

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afterwards at denny's you know coffee

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shop

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and

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as i was about to go through the the the

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gate where this place was had a vine

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colored tall fence

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and you had to go through this narrow

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opening to get to the parking lot from

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this lawn and garden area

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and so as i waited to get through there

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a bunch of people were still there

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talking to ed and this was

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quite a bit after um

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you know he he had ended it had to be at

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least a half hour later and i was

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surprised they were still there but

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people had cornered him and were talking

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to him and i go to pass

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and he kind of stops me and goes

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because i'm just trying to get to my car

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and he kind of says were you the person

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that asked about jack i go yeah he goes

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you're taking remote viewing and i go

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yeah he goes you know him and i go yeah

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he goes how well do you know him and it

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started this thing anyways kind of long

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story short

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he ended up saying are you going to see

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jack again soon

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well but i wasn't about to tell ed is i

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had another class with jack the very

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next night

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after this but i said yeah yeah i might

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see him soon

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and he said well you pass on something

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from me and i go oh okay

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and he proceeds to just blow my mind i

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feel like he's telling me about mj12

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like he says well i was part of this

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group

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and it was called the advanced

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theoretical physics working group and

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and and he goes into this thing and he

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lists a bunch of names and all the names

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he lists are just blowing my mind

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and and and people are kind of gathered

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around us but he's really just talking

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to me so they're slowly kind of trailing

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off like people are lost you know what

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we're talking about

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and he goes

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um

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you do me a favor and

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mention something to jack about it but

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you know like i said i felt like he just

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told me something classified you know um

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he went into it he named names i'm like

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if what he's telling me is true it's

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like why the hell is he telling me this

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and i knew i'm being set up ed's using

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me

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out and i thought

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but i've got asked jack

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and the next day it was like bugging me

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all day so i go to the class and after

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the class i was staying back then to

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help

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you know put stuff away after the class

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and help jack gather up stuff

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and i said

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i went and heard ed dames give a lecture

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last night

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and he goes oh

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yeah about remote viewing oh what'd he

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say and i we're talking about that for a

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little while

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and i and then he's putting stuff in a

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box he has this back to me

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he brings a lot of literature he's

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stacking it in a box with his back to me

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and any and i said there's something

409
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else he goes

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oh

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and i said

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he told me about some he goes oh he did

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and i said

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jack what can you tell me about

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something called the advanced

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and there's this long pause and he has a

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big stack of stuff in his hands

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and now i know jack hauck for years i've

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never sitting seeing him get emotional

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he's a very mild-mannered guy he takes

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this big stack of stuff and slams it

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down on the table

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and i'm like

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oh my god you know and and

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and he turns around and he goes and he's

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like fuming and i'm like going uh oh

427
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now i knew what ed told me because when

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he gave me this list of names and said

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what this group did i was like

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what i mean literally it was like at the

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time i thought he was telling me like

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him and jack and these other people are

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members of mg12 or something you know

434
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that's what it sounded like i'm like

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what now i'm saying literally guys no

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one say oh my god she thinks that no no

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no please you know no it's it but the

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time i'm like they're part of some top

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secret thing you know what the heck is

440
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,360
this

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and and why is that telling me and then

442
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jack slams the stuff down turns around

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and he goes

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why would he tell anybody why

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why and he's hitting the he's still

446
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hitting that table with his hand why and

447
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i've never seen him get mad he's like

448
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why would i tell why would he tell

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00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,280
anybody and then he turned and he comes

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over and leans to my face and goes most

451
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:08,070
i'm like i don't know but i knew that

452
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,600
eddie told me something important from

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this emotional rather emotional reaction

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from jack

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and he said what did he say and i go on

456
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:16,960
to say stuff and he's still getting mad

457
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:18,880
do you say who was involved yeah okay

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00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,840
who you know and he's like uh you know

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and he's like

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you're talking to him in a parking lot i

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go yeah you know and he said all this

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stuff

463
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and and i realized i

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at the time i

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kind of figured out

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00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,120
ed had been shut out or thrown out of

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the group he wasn't happy about it and

468
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,679
he used me to piss them off

469
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,640
and boy did it work

470
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,480
and jet but jack who i've known for

471
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years

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00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,720
ends up going okay okay

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sis me down the chair i'd gotten up or

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00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,120
whatever it says me back down says

475
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,640
that subject that you have so much

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00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,080
interest in you and another friend of

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00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,640
mine that knows jack too he said you and

478
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,679
this other friend you know that you have

479
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,159
so much interested in he goes i know all

480
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:06,000
about it fact

481
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,760
i know more about it than you could

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00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,840
possibly dream anybody could know about

483
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,039
it

484
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,360
i'm like okay and he proceeds to tell me

485
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:15,760
a few things now not a lot but he was

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confirming things that ed had said

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and tells me a little more

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um

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and

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it's a lot more involved but that's but

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that's how i first learned and then

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shortly after that i kept meeting

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other members i knew

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bob wood who was also part of it

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and i

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00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,720
researcher bob wood quite well and that

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within a week of that i went to a move

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on orange county meeting where i knew

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i'd likely see bob and i did and bob

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sitting in just the row of fun in front

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of me during this lecture and during a

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break i lean forward and he has this

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little notepad he's always taking notes

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and i said um

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what do you know about something called

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the advanced theoretical physics working

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group and he stops

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and he long paused and goes never heard

509
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,799
of it

510
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well i knew i was on to something

511
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because jack

512
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ed and jack had both mentioned his name

513
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that's uh atp or it's colonel alexander

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just yeah

515
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mentioned somewhere recently yeah yeah

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exactly so um

517
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and uh and and anyway so it goes on to

518
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eventually in talking to bob we talked

519
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more

520
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after the presentation he ended up

521
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admitting he was involved and telling me

522
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a bunch more after

523
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from then on after ed told me it's like

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everybody else denied it like three or

525
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four times before i knew enough stuff to

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00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,000
get him to talk to me so first jack

527
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denied it until i knew enough stuff but

528
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he got so emotional it was because at

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first i was saying do you know anything

530
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,120
about it he said no and i said are you

531
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,960
sure you know and he goes no and i said

532
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,640
told me this and what the more and more

533
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,880
i said that ed said so jack didn't

534
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,320
immediately get emotional at first he

535
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,840
was playing like he didn't know and so

536
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,080
he denied it three or four times before

537
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he slammed his stuff down and got all

538
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,720
that

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00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,480
because i because obviously i knew a lot

540
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,760
like he thought he could just deny it

541
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,080
and move on and you know downplay it and

542
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,000
then bob tried that with me but i said

543
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,400
look bob uh ed and both jack mentioned

544
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,480
your name you know and so i went on and

545
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,320
then he talked to me outside privately

546
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,559
and told me a bunch and then i proceeded

547
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,799
to meet some of the other members al

548
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,000
pudov

549
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,159
i did not originally talk to about it

550
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but three different researchers

551
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,400
including someone who was working on

552
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:36,559
with hal on a project at the time and

553
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,760
going to to texas to meet without

554
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,400
uh where house offices um

555
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,080
that person was very interesting he said

556
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,520
look i'm gonna see how next week i'll

557
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:47,520
ask him and then i had two other people

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00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,559
so hal

559
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,640
got asked back to back by three

560
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different people

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which he knew

562
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,159
and they all got back to me and said

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uh

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00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:59,360
he confirmed everything you said you

565
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,559
know and

566
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,320
asked how we learned about it and we

567
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:04,640
said you and you know so i got up on

568
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:07,039
house on the radar pretty quick you know

569
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,400
anyways this very fight but you guys

570
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:11,440
this is how it happened and and it it

571
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,480
it led to one thing after another and at

572
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,480
the time i'd become very good friends

573
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,360
with

574
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:18,960
somebody attending i was putting on a

575
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,919
lecture series in southern california

576
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,919
and a gentleman who was coming all the

577
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,760
time randy copang and i became friends

578
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,600
and started to share research and i

579
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,520
started to share this with him well

580
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:31,679
randy's an amazing researcher so long

581
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,720
story short randy kopang and i have now

582
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,320
been researching this

583
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:39,120
this particular subject for 30 years

584
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:40,320
wow so

585
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,919
how does that work once once you find

586
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,840
that out like it

587
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,360
seems like uh

588
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,600
did anyone tell you to you know keep it

589
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,520
to yourself or

590
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,440
you know no

591
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,520
it had gone beyond that you know

592
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,360
they were more i think it was more like

593
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,039
i'll tell you a few things and defuse it

594
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,799
make it sound not important not a big

595
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,960
deal like they would downplay it you

596
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,760
know

597
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:04,320
even when i first

598
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,520
met john alexander about it he was

599
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,000
giving a lecture in san diego california

600
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,400
i wasn't able to make the lecture i got

601
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,320
there for the end i heard the very end

602
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,520
of it

603
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,360
and i was too

604
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,200
uncomfortable to ask it in a question

605
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,440
session so at the end i went out and i

606
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,480
was out

607
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:24,799
at the front like walkway going into

608
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,480
this place and i caught him coming out

609
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,799
and john denied it

610
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,240
like four different times i mean they

611
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,080
all did he denied it

612
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:36,400
till i knew more and i said more and

613
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,840
then john eventually stops and goes okay

614
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,960
all right

615
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,679
yeah it was my group i was the director

616
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,600
after he denied it like four times but i

617
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,679
knew so much because i'd at that point i

618
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:49,360
had the three people who talked to hal

619
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,430
[Music]

620
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,039
who is a member and of course bob and

621
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,039
others you know so by that point i knew

622
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:01,279
so much so he said okay okay you know

623
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,240
like

624
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:03,760
i mean he really tried to absolutely

625
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:07,039
deny it john did and and i just kept

626
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,640
saying more like we were walking i just

627
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,320
kept saying more

628
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:12,000
eventually stopped and just looked at me

629
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,590
absolutely so uh so that's that's how it

630
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,440
happened um

631
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,840
you know that's how it happened and uh

632
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,880
um and i ended up uh uh

633
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,679
you know

634
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,120
just just knowing a lot from what

635
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,640
everyone told me and then i started to

636
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,880
look into it and so did randy and then

637
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,799
from that point forward all we need to

638
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,440
do was follow the players and everything

639
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,760
they were doing now one point we looked

640
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,520
into it a bunch and then all of a sudden

641
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,080
a researcher by name of howard bloom put

642
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:46,240
a a book out i think it's called out

643
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,120
there

644
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,679
and uh and if i remember correctly and i

645
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,200
have it on my lecture notes and

646
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,399
everything you guys i just don't have a

647
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,080
that up in front of me so this is all

648
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:57,600
this is all about memory today

649
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,200
yeah yeah yeah and and and he

650
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:03,919
wrote about it and outed the group and i

651
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,360
i don't know i i i was talking to both

652
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,559
tom whitmore famous uh on the board for

653
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,279
mufon and known for um doing extensive

654
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,320
mj 12 research today and he had attended

655
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,720
the scu conference online i knew he

656
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,240
wasn't going to be there

657
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,039
and then um in addition i had a long

658
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,000
conversation today with bob mcguire who

659
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,320
was there at the seo conference with me

660
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,720
um clarifying some stuff with them so

661
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,039
some things would be present and on my

662
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,000
mind and you know and clear uh so i

663
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,559
could talk about them um

664
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,320
because there was a major

665
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,320
thing that happened today that i was

666
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,039
glad came out because uh it was perfect

667
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,080
timing and that was what came out the

668
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,520
the release of a

669
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,559
piece of john alexander's talk from scu

670
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,399
and it was yeah and then it was that

671
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,720
little clip uh everyone that's on my

672
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,760
twitter uh and probably on yours now too

673
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,760
but it's the it's a little and a lot of

674
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,840
people are sharing it um a little clip

675
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,440
from john alexander's talk where he was

676
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:08,240
taking questions where he mentioned the

677
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:12,480
uh the davis wilson notes and mj 12 and

678
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:16,880
some other stuff in his questions and um

679
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,399
it was uh bryce sable and rasa cole hart

680
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,880
who put that out today a little clip and

681
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,679
um

682
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,200
and immediately people started

683
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,480
commenting and what not on it um but

684
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,960
again you know i knew that tom had

685
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,600
watched it online and bob was there

686
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,080
and uh and tom being an mj what 12

687
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,320
research i wanted to talk to him about

688
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,919
his reaction to that and and uh and then

689
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,480
bob you know and being at the conference

690
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,679
um

691
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,000
now i was there at scu i actually missed

692
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,640
john's talk because i was actually

693
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:51,840
interviewing and you know full

694
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,799
disclosure here i was interviewing a new

695
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,720
millab case that was someone at the

696
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,120
conference that i met there and she's a

697
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,000
very detailed advanced case with covert

698
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,480
human involvement and and

699
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,840
she really wanted to talk to me and we

700
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,600
talked during lunch well carried further

701
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,559
beyond that and next thing i knew i hear

702
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,559
pausing in the audience anyways long

703
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:14,720
story short we had missed the john's

704
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,679
talk but um

705
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,520
but i had everybody telling me about

706
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,200
things that he said

707
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,600
i'm gonna of course watch it uh online

708
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,559
i've been given the code now to do so um

709
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:28,960
at the time but

710
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,399
but the um yeah so people who were there

711
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:33,840
you know can watch and i think maybe

712
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,039
other people can um yeah like if a

713
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,640
friend of theirs maybe gives them the

714
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,480
code

715
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,960
i'm just kidding

716
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,279
later

717
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,640
i'll get in trouble from those guys

718
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,120
though that's for sure yeah no no

719
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:51,440
so gary voorhees will be watching this

720
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:52,880
and he'll go rich is going to be mad at

721
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:53,679
you

722
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,720
rich hoffman anyways but um anyways yeah

723
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,559
i was hanging out there a lot with

724
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,080
vorhees and rich hoffman and everybody

725
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,840
yeah with everybody i mean it was it was

726
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,240
an amazing event and quite a who's who

727
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,559
of who's wasn't it yeah it looked like

728
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,720
it from the pictures oh yeah and even

729
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,559
some real surprise people were there

730
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,200
some really big wigs you know anyway so

731
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,919
um it was quite remarkable but we um

732
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,760
going back to i don't know i've lost my

733
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,679
train of thoughts yeah me too that's

734
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,240
okay we were we were um

735
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,519
it turned into uh alexander's saying

736
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,960
um that he was the head of the thing

737
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,880
yeah yeah you know that does is this

738
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,039
still going on in you know do you know

739
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,320
who's you know in this working group now

740
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,519
and or what do you what are they doing

741
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,720
over time

742
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,640
so um

743
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,320
and it may pre

744
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,919
that's one thing

745
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,600
bob and i and tom and i were talking

746
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,320
about today it uh because i was on the

747
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,919
phone with both of them all morning well

748
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,760
you know i did all i did like four hours

749
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:54,000
of research today just for you

750
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,799
oh

751
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,159
thank you very much

752
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:58,080
um

753
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,360
well you know we're talking about

754
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:01,120
everything but um

755
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,870
they was i saying um

756
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,000
uh

757
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:10,000
oh god i'm sorry i'm losing my train of

758
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,120
thought again you know what it is i need

759
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,559
something to drink that's what i'm gonna

760
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,720
do yeah no that's okay

761
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:16,960
yeah we're just kind of talking

762
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,039
changing names i think yeah yeah okay

763
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:20,960
yeah i'm changing the name sorry sorry

764
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,240
that's okay it's being distracted by

765
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:26,720
by a dry mouth in the desert and things

766
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,269
sorry

767
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:33,360
tell them to knock it off

768
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,830
so i met i met where i work at the

769
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:41,440
center for new age but there was stuff

770
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,799
going on okay um

771
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,760
so

772
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,679
in in the group

773
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:49,360
originally and i'll first of all talk

774
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:53,200
about the change of names of the group

775
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,399
and what we were talking about today

776
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,240
that's why i brought both of them is

777
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:58,880
that it was pre-existing

778
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,919
even the i know for sure about going

779
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,679
back to 85

780
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,440
because that's when they had a meeting

781
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,760
at bdm corporation in virginia in a

782
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,880
skiff

783
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,320
you know a

784
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,039
secure room and that's where they

785
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,440
uh planned this and you know and was

786
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,919
kind of first kickoff but i i had reason

787
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,399
to believe that it existed for about

788
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,039
five years before that

789
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,840
for a multitude of reasons

790
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:27,360
um the group

791
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,960
was given a nickname by researchers

792
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,480
uh jamie

793
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,480
chanduray and bill moore

794
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,480
and that nickname was the aviary so

795
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,840
that's the same thing that we're talking

796
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,080
about sure okay okay that's and they

797
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,240
gave it that nickname because they were

798
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,200
interfacing with these guys over the mj

799
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,279
12 documents and other things

800
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,640
um

801
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,640
and uh so long story short there but

802
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:53,120
that was the whole bill more story if

803
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,559
people out there aren't familiar with it

804
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,880
i recommend you research it

805
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,679
um

806
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,080
it's a whole another thing i'm not an

807
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:02,559
expert on it but i know the basics

808
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,679
and uh it's quite an involved thing but

809
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,919
and then also i do recommend that people

810
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:10,079
watch my full presentation it's

811
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,760
available online

812
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,679
and sean when we're done i can give you

813
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:15,440
the link and you should put it

814
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,399
underneath you know a whole presentation

815
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,359
um

816
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,440
on the working group because it's a two

817
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:23,760
and a half hour long very detailed

818
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,040
presentation um i think the last time i

819
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,599
gave it was about two years ago but it's

820
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,679
so it's not immediately up to the moment

821
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,280
because it's you know so much has

822
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,520
happened the last year even but it's

823
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,240
it's fairly common uh fairly current i

824
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,240
should say but going back to so the name

825
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,240
of the change of the group was

826
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:43,839
origin we don't know what the name was

827
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,720
we were all talking about that today um

828
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,399
particularly my conversation with tom

829
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:50,800
whitmore is is we have reason to believe

830
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,599
it pre-existed i was even telling him

831
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,240
today that at one time

832
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:58,800
when colonel corso was still alive and

833
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,560
the book the day after roswell came out

834
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,280
his co-author bill burns william burns

835
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:05,200
well known in the ufo field and

836
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:08,560
published ufo magazine for a long time

837
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,640
and i knew bill quite well and i had

838
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:15,520
shared with him about the group and he

839
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,790
looking into a little bit he knew some

840
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,920
stuff because he's extremely

841
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,160
knowledgeable and when corsa was still

842
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,480
alive he went and

843
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,680
said something to corso about it

844
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,599
asking if he knew anything about it or

845
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,000
heard anything or a precursor

846
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,640
well corso did and corso said actually i

847
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,119
was a member of one of the precursors to

848
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:41,440
it and he went in to this whole thing

849
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,640
with bill

850
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,320
and he said how did you learn all this

851
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,720
and bill burns told him about me

852
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,400
and i got one of the best compliments in

853
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,880
my life because corso said to bill burns

854
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,119
you go tell that young lady she's got

855
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,960
some serious cojones looking into these

856
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:56,480
guys

857
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,349
and that came directly from corso and

858
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,280
and it was when now i know

859
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,560
later there was kind of a falling out

860
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,800
between him and stuff but this was

861
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,400
shortly after the book coming out bill

862
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,000
was very involved with course so they're

863
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,960
very close and um et cetera et cetera

864
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,040
and so um

865
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,599
but and so again there is this

866
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,320
history possibly back prior to the first

867
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,119
meeting which is again bdm corporation

868
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,400
in virginia 1985 and that there's

869
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,640
evidence to show that it went back

870
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,720
before then i'm aware of maybe five

871
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,640
years so i i say i've been doing 30

872
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:36,640
years of research on a 40-year history

873
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,920
of the group which is about right but

874
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,839
with this corso story

875
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,160
uh tom knew some others there's reason

876
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:47,359
to believe it went back even before

877
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:48,720
and

878
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,680
like um

879
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:56,160
like john alexander like kit green they

880
00:37:03,349 --> 00:36:59,680
have been involved all along um

881
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,359
and uh and others you know so so um and

882
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,440
how you know maybe some others were more

883
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,000
involved earlier on and then different

884
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,040
members over time came and go went but

885
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,839
but then it bdm corporation so that's

886
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,359
the history forward that i'm well

887
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,000
familiar with and it was known as the

888
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,839
advanced theoretical physics working

889
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,320
group at that time if not prior but

890
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,160
certainly like i said um

891
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,960
bill got a near full from colonel corso

892
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,000
all about it

893
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,160
um and then

894
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,240
and again may have kind of changed names

895
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:34,800
but some similar members and kind of the

896
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,400
same thing uh but then a new reformation

897
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,320
like i said in 85 and then it went

898
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,760
forward as the advanced theoretical

899
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,079
physics working group and and known as

900
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,680
the aviary now i don't think they ever

901
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,760
called themselves the avery

902
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,839
but that's what maureen

903
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,200
who said we're dealing with these guys

904
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,880
we're having phone calls with them and i

905
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,880
think emails back then

906
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,160
and they said

907
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,240
you know um for us to know who we're

908
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,800
talking about but nobody else

909
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,560
they said let's come up with

910
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,320
like code names you know because some of

911
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,920
these people are well known let's come

912
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:08,000
up with names and stuff

913
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,440
and um and then let's also um

914
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,760
so they came up with bird names and they

915
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:15,520
said as a group we'll call them aviary

916
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:18,320
meaning the bunch of birds you know

917
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,190
i believe the owl is put off

918
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,960
appreciates help it up that's what i

919
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,520
heard yeah yeah and and then there was

920
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,200
scott jones

921
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,520
and uh

922
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:36,400
valet yeah cb scott jones jacques valet

923
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,760
was a part of it

924
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:40,240
at that time um

925
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,040
uh

926
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:42,480
like i said moore and chandra were in

927
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:45,839
touch with them and and then you had um

928
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,640
uh

929
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:47,359
rick

930
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,000
time robert

931
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,599
rick doty and robert collins were

932
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,839
involved at dames um

933
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,160
but then he gets into um you know like i

934
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,640
said hal put off jacques valet

935
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,240
kit green

936
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:04,720
and then over the years it changed so so

937
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,000
it morphed into then

938
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:10,000
for a while i don't know if they didn't

939
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,280
have a name

940
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,440
or what they were calling themselves

941
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,520
other than maybe just the working group

942
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,240
until the formation of nids

943
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,280
and this is when they got now

944
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,760
already bigelow robert bigelow was

945
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,599
already involved with them in funding

946
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,440
some projects and stuff but at that

947
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:29,839
point with bigelow they started ned's

948
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,880
national institute of discovery science

949
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:35,200
and john kind of headed that up and and

950
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,800
and it was done in conjunction with

951
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,800
funding from bigelow

952
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,560
and then it continued as nids for a

953
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:43,119
while and nids eventually morphed into

954
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,640
and you guys many of these that i'm

955
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:47,280
about to talk about overlapped were

956
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:48,480
times

957
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,440
they were

958
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,000
as far as i can tell they either went

959
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,680
briefly without a name or were using

960
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,160
both names it gets a little convoluted

961
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,480
and maybe that's some minor holes in my

962
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,839
research now when i do my full

963
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,480
presentation or it's on purpose i have

964
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,640
that too yeah i have a timeline yeah

965
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,359
exactly like they tip us app thing was

966
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,480
on purpose you know so um so it goes

967
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,160
into from

968
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:15,280
again so basically what i know is is

969
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,640
is um

970
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,800
maybe you know it was called a bigelow

971
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,079
group or something for a little while i

972
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,760
i don't know for sure but there was a

973
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,960
transition there from uh

974
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,440
again the um

975
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,680
atp as you said the advanced theoretical

976
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,880
physics group

977
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,440
to the working group to bigelow's

978
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,800
working group to nids okay national

979
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,560
discovery science and then from nids it

980
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:39,839
went into

981
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,000
uh becoming bass b-a-a-s-s

982
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,560
bigelow aerospace advanced uh science

983
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:49,119
studies that was bass and then from bass

984
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:50,400
into

985
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,309
wow yeah and they're all kind of the

986
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,240
same people now some people are going to

987
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,760
go oh well just john

988
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,680
only hal put off someone that remained

989
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:07,119
not true

990
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:11,119
and um there was a lot of overlap like

991
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,000
um

992
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:14,880
i knew an aerospace person who was

993
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,240
involved in a project with bigelow for

994
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,079
ossap

995
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,319
and at that time

996
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,640
at that time they had meetings not at

997
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,880
bigelow somewhere else and at bigelow

998
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,400
that were with

999
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,920
luella zondo

1000
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,240
so well zonda was president those so

1001
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,040
that places him there um

1002
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,040
now lou says about how long he was

1003
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,960
involved so it was during that time

1004
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:41,520
that's you know what i'm just saying so

1005
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,400
um

1006
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,960
again i have this detailed timeline and

1007
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,440
i also have a list of all the players

1008
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,920
but one of the guys at the original and

1009
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:51,440
jack hauck who was at the original me

1010
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,119
now jack didn't stay with it he had

1011
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,599
occasionally involvement with these guys

1012
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,760
well into stuff but by by the time it

1013
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,400
reached the knits era i'm not sure that

1014
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:05,280
jack was involved i think mostly for

1015
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:12,230
and different other people you know so

1016
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,119
um

1017
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,359
again i have i if you watch my whole

1018
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,760
presentation i have here and we'll link

1019
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,720
to it yeah three powerpoint slides that

1020
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:23,040
list everyone's names and if you really

1021
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:26,720
want me to i can um i can uh bring it up

1022
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:29,920
in the background no that's okay yeah i

1023
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,280
we'll link to it in the description

1024
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,480
but um

1025
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,640
but in there and people when they watch

1026
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,280
it can stop and look at it and read but

1027
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,040
there's three separate slides because

1028
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,040
the list is that long it takes three

1029
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,480
full slides

1030
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,520
and i have this chart that shows

1031
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,880
everybody's

1032
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,880
uh involvement their

1033
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,240
positions

1034
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,400
what their affiliations were

1035
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,480
i have them all mapped out in there let

1036
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:58,480
me ask you this is um

1037
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,119
were all these groups related to

1038
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,079
uh the dia or were some of them some of

1039
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,920
them were some of them were different

1040
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,760
aerospace companies some of them were

1041
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:09,920
intelligence people some of them were

1042
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,800
dia some of them did a little bit of all

1043
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,000
those things

1044
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,480
that's why as i did the research randy

1045
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,480
and i as we figured out

1046
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,640
what are their connections

1047
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,359
on that on that graph i made

1048
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,920
have all their names and then i have a

1049
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,520
list of different

1050
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,319
uh connections and affiliates okay sure

1051
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,319
and and and then i have a little like

1052
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,560
check mark in each one so you can go

1053
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,480
okay you know they were part of this and

1054
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,800
part of this and part of this and if i

1055
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,480
randy and i only tried to check it off

1056
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:43,040
if we kind of verified that they were

1057
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,160
part of that

1058
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,560
and uh so whether they were like if they

1059
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,359
were at the original meeting in 85 we

1060
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,280
have the check mark there if they

1061
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,440
weren't but they came involved later

1062
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,319
like like a doctor gary nolan or eric

1063
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:58,560
davis who get involved later you know

1064
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,599
kind of thing

1065
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,440
although eric pretty early on you know

1066
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,079
so different people came and left but as

1067
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:07,200
they were involved you know we we added

1068
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:08,880
them to our list and we tried to figure

1069
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,680
out where in the timeline they came in

1070
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,480
and what their affiliations were and

1071
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,240
some of them

1072
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,800
had a different interest in the ufo

1073
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,359
subject more from the technology one

1074
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:24,000
thing also what got me interested in

1075
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,079
these guys from the get go

1076
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:30,560
was

1077
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:34,079
realizing early on like right away

1078
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,680
whether it was something ed originally

1079
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:37,839
said which i think he did and it was

1080
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,079
always there prevalent in the research

1081
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:42,800
was that they had a huge huge interest

1082
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,520
in abductions and abductees i mean

1083
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,599
move into the middle labs from this

1084
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:49,680
yeah yeah exactly so they

1085
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,040
they had a huge interest now because of

1086
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,040
my millaps research which i've also been

1087
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,240
doing at the same time for 30 years

1088
00:45:02,829 --> 00:44:59,599
is

1089
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:02,839
i realized there was crossover

1090
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,079
there and i thought who were these guys

1091
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,839
that they have an interest

1092
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,400
now over time i realized these guys

1093
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,560
weren't really involved in the mill lab

1094
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:14,880
thing with the exception of one key

1095
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,400
player that might have crossed over

1096
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,520
one or two

1097
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,599
but the rest i'm going okay i can't

1098
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,160
really see a connection but

1099
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,920
the fact that they always had an

1100
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,680
interest in abduction so everyone talks

1101
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:29,839
about for instance

1102
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,960
the davis wilson nodes okay

1103
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,040
when those came out everyone also talks

1104
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,839
about the emails between the different

1105
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,160
people with nids on their board and the

1106
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,880
science advisory board for nids

1107
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,040
that document which to print out of

1108
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,680
those emails came out the same time

1109
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,480
and and a memo which people confused

1110
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,760
with the notes so that you know it gets

1111
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:53,680
very confusing so there's a email memo

1112
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,200
right and and emails and then also

1113
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,000
the notes the wilson davis notes but

1114
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,319
then there was another document actually

1115
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,240
in the original that we

1116
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,079
that the researchers who were given

1117
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,079
these have i've seen it

1118
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,640
the original on

1119
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,480
on uh

1120
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,400
nids national institute of discovery

1121
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,720
science with bigelow corporation on it

1122
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:17,760
too

1123
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,520
on that on the nids um uh uh my choice

1124
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,440
letterhead you know actually on printed

1125
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,480
letterhead

1126
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:27,280
is this document and this letter and and

1127
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,319
this multiple page document all about

1128
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,839
the abduction research they were doing

1129
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,000
at the time and i'm like no one talks

1130
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,079
about that and that was found with the

1131
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,319
other things it's just as important it

1132
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,400
was found with the other things now

1133
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,400
granted the the meat and you know

1134
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,880
gravitas if you will what is contained

1135
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,040
in the wilson davis notes

1136
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,160
is is you know is so meaty but

1137
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,839
but i think everyone overlooks this

1138
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,200
because they're talking about abduction

1139
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,960
stuff but they're talking about

1140
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,200
different abduction cases and it went

1141
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,280
out to everyone on their board and the

1142
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,400
science advisory board which is what dr

1143
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,079
edgar mitchell was on the science

1144
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,319
advisory board

1145
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,400
and and you know and everyone goes well

1146
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,800
who else would have the

1147
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,560
wilson davis notes

1148
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,800
everybody on the science advisory board

1149
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:16,880
and the board at the time

1150
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,640
and i have a timeline where we can kind

1151
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,520
of piece together who might be on and

1152
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,559
jacques valet in his books forbidden

1153
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,480
science you know and it's forbidden

1154
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,640
science four everybody talks about he

1155
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,800
has timelines in there and that this

1156
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,200
timeline would be like the next book so

1157
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,040
everybody's gonna ask dr lay jacques

1158
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,160
valet was on the science advisory board

1159
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,680
at the time of the wilson davis so eric

1160
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,000
i mean dr edgar mitchell got a copy of

1161
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:46,960
those notes right uh you guys jacques

1162
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,160
valet got a copy of those notes well

1163
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,480
i think we have a good list of who we

1164
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,400
need to testify

1165
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,839
yeah and others

1166
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:56,720
yeah

1167
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,839
you know who was there got a copy of

1168
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:03,760
those notes you know

1169
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,109
if you watch that little clip

1170
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,839
colonel john alexander outed

1171
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,079
eric davis you know

1172
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:17,920
and during the questions yeah right

1173
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:18,640
right

1174
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,079
he's asked about uh it was

1175
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,920
uh jonathan davies

1176
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:25,760
asked the question he wasn't present but

1177
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,559
he asked it online and they were putting

1178
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,720
those out and you know and rich hoffman

1179
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,240
was asking them

1180
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,160
and so rich hoffman's at the podium and

1181
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,160
john alexander's sitting there

1182
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,480
and and uh and

1183
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:40,079
and rich reads the question from

1184
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:44,000
jonathan davies you know saying um

1185
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,599
you know saying to him uh uh uh were you

1186
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:49,280
copied on those

1187
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,160
notes

1188
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,240
and he doesn't really answer that but

1189
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,640
but he but rich he should have asked

1190
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,920
should have broken down the questions

1191
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,319
individually asked like one whole thing

1192
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,160
so john only had to give one response

1193
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,000
but he went on to say you know were you

1194
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,240
copied and cece and were other people

1195
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,200
and and um

1196
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,559
you know and

1197
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,599
you know did the meeting happen or

1198
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:10,960
whatever like that

1199
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,920
and and john's response was

1200
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:15,520
well why don't you ask eric he's sitting

1201
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,640
right here

1202
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,040
right and he said he wrote them he said

1203
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,440
he wrote them exactly yeah and then he

1204
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,880
says he wrote them

1205
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,839
you know

1206
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,720
and and then smiles like a big cheshire

1207
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:29,599
greening grinning cat has this big smile

1208
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,599
and i've rewatched it a bunch of times

1209
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,839
and i talked to bob and bob was

1210
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,520
re-watching it and so was tom whitmore

1211
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,520
to say

1212
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,960
that big smile what do you think was

1213
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,720
going on and they both they both said

1214
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,319
this you know because i asked for like

1215
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,760
their response before i told them what

1216
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,880
mine was

1217
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,480
and they said

1218
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,800
no that he wasn't kidding in fact he was

1219
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,440
like looking at air going ah like i just

1220
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,040
did that

1221
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,599
you know like every to everyone at scu

1222
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,680
and the big names in this thing like ah

1223
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,760
that's right you wrote them you know

1224
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,000
yeah so i figure

1225
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,480
now i always said um

1226
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,760
they

1227
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,880
i had

1228
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,079
let me get this whole thing about how i

1229
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,000
know jim semivan

1230
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,040
he's a player uh and uh and

1231
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:15,839
and jim semivan who i've have a

1232
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:18,720
friendship with i once had a 43-minute

1233
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,000
long non-denial conversation with him

1234
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,839
about the wilson davis notes

1235
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:26,400
and

1236
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,599
explained how if anything in there

1237
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,720
is confidential at all they can't talk

1238
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,280
about so but his going on and on about

1239
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,880
the confidential and their inability to

1240
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,559
talk about it and everything told me

1241
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,720
that these guys and he said there we had

1242
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,960
a meeting about it so that told me these

1243
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,079
guys

1244
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,720
gathered the wagons and teamed up with

1245
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:50,640
what they were gonna like say and not

1246
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,599
say about it uh dolan talked to richard

1247
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,280
dolan talked to kate green and hal put

1248
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,559
off about it got the same response uh

1249
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,079
i know joe

1250
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:02,240
merja you know was talking of course to

1251
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,040
uh

1252
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:04,880
to eric davis about it getting the same

1253
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:08,640
response etc people talk to gary nolan

1254
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,599
about it etc so these guys had clearly

1255
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,200
the working group guys you know whatever

1256
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,920
had kind of uh like i said gathered the

1257
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,480
wagons and you know and circled them and

1258
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:20,480
realized you know they had to kind of

1259
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:23,760
say the same thing and and basically

1260
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,040
give these non-denials so nobody was

1261
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,520
denying the meeting took place with the

1262
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:32,000
exception of wilson himself let me ask

1263
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,040
you this

1264
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,720
what does this avery group do like

1265
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,319
what's the point of the group do they

1266
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,800
just study it and kind of a non-official

1267
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:40,160
posse or

1268
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:41,599
yeah

1269
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:46,160
that's time when i had this tom and i

1270
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,359
just talked for two hours trying to

1271
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,040
figure that out actually

1272
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,920
but i didn't tell you the truth okay

1273
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,240
how do i explain this um

1274
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,640
in their original meeting minutes and an

1275
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,800
agenda in 85 which

1276
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:01,280
which i got from jack out now jacked him

1277
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,720
again to me after he passed hi linda

1278
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:06,880
glad you're here

1279
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:08,800
that's awesome um

1280
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,240
after he passed his wife gave my

1281
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:14,079
friend and research associate steve

1282
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,359
paula doris

1283
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,280
these file boxes that were jacks from

1284
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,160
his home files now he had an office

1285
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,079
he worked for a long time in aerospace

1286
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,079
but after that he brought a lot of files

1287
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,480
on his personal files and stuff home

1288
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,400
after he passed of course the family

1289
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:31,040
took out anything personal but his wife

1290
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,480
said to steve look i know you have an

1291
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,240
interest in these things we've gone

1292
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,680
through we've taken out everything we

1293
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,760
want to keep do you want any of this or

1294
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,520
i'm going to shred it

1295
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,079
and gave like two file boxes to

1296
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,160
to steve

1297
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,160
steve went through them and immediately

1298
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,720
some things flagged him now fortunately

1299
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,040
unfortunately jack was no longer with

1300
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,880
the group in any way would not have been

1301
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,119
copied on the wilson davis

1302
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,960
unfortunately because you think i

1303
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,720
wouldn't be flagging that thing all over

1304
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,119
if i had it you know but yeah but what

1305
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:02,960
he did have is this

1306
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,319
his uh meeting agenda and minutes and

1307
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:08,960
overhead projector notes and handwritten

1308
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,920
notes from his early involvement with

1309
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,400
mids and the you know and i'm not mids

1310
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,880
i'm sorry with uh uh

1311
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,400
sorry with the advanced theoretical

1312
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,640
physics working group atp

1313
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,240
yeah yeah i know with the atp i know

1314
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,160
even my head starts to go wee you know

1315
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:26,640
people like getting straight i'm like

1316
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,710
yeah no but it's it's called doing the

1317
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,359
research for 30 years and thank god for

1318
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:48,160
randy copeland my research associate who

1319
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,280
has a steel trap mind i always say

1320
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,880
randy remembers anything he's also

1321
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,400
really good friends with daniel sheehan

1322
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,960
for the same reason you need you know

1323
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,119
richard hoagland years ago used to say

1324
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,359
randy koppen was everybody's you know

1325
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,680
swiss army knife of researchers you keep

1326
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,280
in your back pocket whenever you need

1327
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,359
anything you know because because he

1328
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,200
also remembers stuff like that you know

1329
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,559
at his fingertips is amazing so so i

1330
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:15,040
don't have to remember like i haven't

1331
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,829
everybody needs that friend that's true

1332
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,440
but you know luckily i remember stuff

1333
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:25,760
pretty good but you know uh but luckily

1334
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,559
for randy so but and i and as i started

1335
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,800
saying 30 years of doing this oh say so

1336
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:33,280
going back to uh uh

1337
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:34,960
oh gosh

1338
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,839
my drain of thought uh going back to um

1339
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,440
uh

1340
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,549
hi gosh um oh so so

1341
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,599
the meeting minutes had um

1342
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:49,920
and handwritten notes and by the way you

1343
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:52,960
guys when i was first shown

1344
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:56,240
by the gentleman who first

1345
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,280
okay

1346
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,520
the wilson davis notes were in the files

1347
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,680
of dr edgar mitchell

1348
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:04,000
a gentleman in australia was working on

1349
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,640
a

1350
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:06,799
book with dr mitchell

1351
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,680
he passes the family gives him is my

1352
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,119
understanding if i have any of this a

1353
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,040
lot but i'm pretty sure i got this right

1354
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,760
the family then gives him some files for

1355
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,079
him to continue working on this book

1356
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,400
that he had already started or was

1357
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,559
in a lot of deep conversation with dr

1358
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,319
mitchell about doing so it's going to be

1359
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,319
a book about dr mitchell's life mostly

1360
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,640
nasa and all that so he's so the family

1361
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,400
says here are some of his personal files

1362
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,640
about nasa and everything

1363
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,119
well but also in there was this other

1364
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,960
stuff now this guy

1365
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,280
my understanding is at a conference he

1366
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:40,480
met

1367
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,839
a researcher in australia that was a

1368
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:45,920
casual ufo researcher that many of us

1369
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,440
are friends with okay he met him at a

1370
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,440
conference and so they stayed in touch

1371
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:54,720
so apparently when he said do you want

1372
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,319
to eat any of this stuff much like how

1373
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,520
how uh jack hauk's wife said to us to

1374
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:03,520
steve and i do any of this stuff i'm

1375
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,799
going to shred it was like the family

1376
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,720
said here's some stuff for your you know

1377
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,960
book and then this then the guy who had

1378
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,119
that said to this other australian

1379
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,200
researcher do you want any of this and

1380
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,640
let him go through it

1381
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,720
and only game apparently he only had a

1382
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,880
couple hours to go through it but this

1383
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,400
stuff flagged him because he knew what

1384
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:22,720
nids was and he knew the names and so he

1385
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,599
grabbed all this stuff out of the files

1386
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,000
which again ends up being the wilson

1387
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:30,160
notes and all the documents associated

1388
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,200
with it

1389
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:33,839
the email notes and memo and all those

1390
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,119
documents and this multiple page thing

1391
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,319
on ned's letterhead about their interest

1392
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,079
in abductees and what they're looking

1393
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:44,960
into with specific abduction cases

1394
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,599
and so he gathers all that

1395
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,760
and he shows up

1396
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,400
uh first off he he my understanding is

1397
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:54,319
now now you can probably help me with

1398
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,839
this because you just

1399
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,119
interviewed um

1400
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,880
um

1401
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:04,240
cameron

1402
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,839
no or danny silva

1403
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:07,119
danny silly thank you thank you but

1404
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,640
speaking of great cameron we're going to

1405
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,000
see them

1406
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,640
i'm about to mention that so so at that

1407
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,640
point

1408
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,520
um our friend in australia gives them to

1409
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,760
danny silva right and my understanding

1410
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,200
is danny silva was the one who put him

1411
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:23,119
on reddit did i have that right

1412
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,240
no he

1413
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,119
they found out that somebody had put it

1414
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:29,839
on reddit and they had these notes and

1415
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,799
they're like

1416
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,880
well the guy the guy

1417
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,359
my friend in australia maybe he's not

1418
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:37,280
given who that guy is but he gave it to

1419
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:38,079
the

1420
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,400
understanding and i thought that was

1421
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,720
danny silva that's why i said i need to

1422
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:47,280
clarify that i know danny so i can i can

1423
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:49,359
ask him clarify but

1424
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:50,079
but

1425
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:50,710
he didn't

1426
00:57:57,790 --> 00:58:05,589
[Laughter]

1427
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,870
maybe okay

1428
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,960
okay so um i should have watched your

1429
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,280
interview with danny i apologize see you

1430
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,119
know i've been so busy working i can't

1431
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:14,720
keep up on everything

1432
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,000
the true i just i'm too busy too busy um

1433
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:19,440
okay

1434
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:23,040
regardless coming into town look at that

1435
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:24,160
area

1436
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,280
and the guys

1437
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,440
not public yet may never be public it's

1438
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,680
not danny thank you joe appreciate that

1439
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,640
good

1440
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:32,240
daddy's probably in here too going what

1441
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:34,000
the hell really sorry i missed the

1442
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,520
interview i apologize okay okay so but

1443
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:39,040
the guy we know in australia and i'm

1444
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,640
leaving his name out because i don't

1445
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,960
think he wants it far and wide

1446
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:44,559
um

1447
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,079
he put it on emger okay imgur okay

1448
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:50,960
okay put it on him tomato tomato

1449
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,430
yeah well hey if we're going to be

1450
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:56,880
accurate about this he put it on in the

1451
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,960
garden but it still came from this

1452
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,680
friend of ours who i do know in

1453
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:04,480
australia okay so it came from him it

1454
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:07,920
gets leaked out now this same guy

1455
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,280
often goes to paula harris's conferences

1456
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,839
in laughlin nevada

1457
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,000
he goes to palace conference

1458
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:17,680
and gives a copy to grant so that's the

1459
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:21,280
first time greg cameron sees it

1460
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,200
he also gave me a copy at grant when he

1461
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,160
showed it to grant cameron

1462
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,720
because he knew grant did that research

1463
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,480
and

1464
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,920
maybe it wasn't that year it might have

1465
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,599
been the next year that he showed it to

1466
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,520
me for the first time i'd i almost have

1467
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,880
to ask grant and said did i see it that

1468
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:40,240
first year or the next year but does

1469
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:41,920
almost doesn't matter because he did

1470
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,480
show it to to grant and grant knew right

1471
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,200
away the name oak shannon so first off

1472
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,440
he's looking at it and that jumped out

1473
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,839
because grant has

1474
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:54,480
like i have jack house agenda and

1475
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,319
meeting in it from 1985 from bdm

1476
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:00,720
he has greg cameron

1477
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,880
apparently a family member of this guy

1478
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,400
o'shannon

1479
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:08,319
approached grant knowing grant did

1480
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,760
research into these things and had

1481
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,079
talked about it so apparently somebody

1482
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,480
came forward to grant with the agenda

1483
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,400
and the meeting minutes from the meeting

1484
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:18,480
and he had ones that were actually oak

1485
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:21,599
shannon's copy from his family that's my

1486
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:24,720
understanding i had mine from jack hauck

1487
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,640
now oak's name wasn't printed on mine

1488
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,200
there were only a few names printed on

1489
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,839
it but jack as people were talking

1490
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:35,200
apparently are doing this meeting was

1491
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:38,799
taking notes and wrote down names

1492
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:40,839
now i have some names on my

1493
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:43,440
documentation from that original thing

1494
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,960
that weren't published by howard bloom

1495
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,440
but later when john alexander did write

1496
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:51,760
about it in his first book

1497
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,400
um was it ufo myths and conspiracies

1498
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,040
okay so when he wrote that he did put

1499
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:59,599
the list of names and it's the same name

1500
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,119
as bloom as

1501
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,920
howard bloom had but plus a few more i

1502
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,359
do not know

1503
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,359
how howard bloom came across this

1504
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:08,799
originally

1505
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:09,599
and

1506
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:12,079
came across names um

1507
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:13,200
but

1508
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,599
in my notes from jack hauck he had

1509
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,599
written on one of them

1510
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,440
oak shannon blah blah blah blah blah so

1511
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,839
i knew that name and what oak shannon's

1512
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,680
position was you know

1513
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:26,480
and so right away when i saw it i knew

1514
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,200
that that name was significant when our

1515
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:31,599
my australian friend showed them to me

1516
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:34,400
so i was like i knew right away and when

1517
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:37,599
richard dolan started talking about it

1518
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,599
now first he only was given like two

1519
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:41,200
pages back

1520
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,640
by

1521
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,680
uh

1522
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,359
i'm not even sure originally if he got

1523
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,280
them from my australian friend or

1524
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,720
someone else you know but he'd

1525
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:49,920
originally had two pages and then

1526
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,880
eventually when it showed up on inger so

1527
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,319
everyone out there if you know part of

1528
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,079
the story like those guys just jumped in

1529
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:58,640
and helped us out thank you you know uh

1530
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,400
joe or anybody else you can feel free to

1531
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,960
jump in so my understanding is

1532
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,119
dolan only had had two pages but when it

1533
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,960
was on inger then it was you know the

1534
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,000
whole thing

1535
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,920
and dolan started talking about it again

1536
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,760
he had mentioned it in passing in wait

1537
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:13,599
years before but now he would start

1538
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,920
talking about it and i call them because

1539
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:17,039
he said

1540
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:18,559
we don't know where these originally

1541
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:22,079
came from we know well he said i knew

1542
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:23,039
how they

1543
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,799
came up online he knew that at that

1544
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,680
point

1545
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,319
but i called richard and said

1546
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:30,640
it's nids and explained oak shannon to

1547
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,680
him because he didn't know who that name

1548
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,599
was there's no reason he would i mean

1549
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,520
that was a unique thing that grant and i

1550
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,680
both had versions of the meeting minutes

1551
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,839
from that first meeting different people

1552
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:41,440
from different people that were both in

1553
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,559
attendance

1554
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,640
that's pretty good evidence yeah from

1555
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,480
both you know that we're in attendance

1556
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:48,960
so i i called dolan and then dog gave me

1557
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:50,559
a lot of credit for quite a while he was

1558
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,720
saying you know melinda told me he was

1559
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,799
the first to tell me and explain the the

1560
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:56,880
history of the group and you know and at

1561
01:03:02,069 --> 01:02:59,599
that point that helped convince

1562
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,079
everyone's like why is dolan so

1563
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,119
steadfast on this it's because

1564
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,880
he knew when he knew that background and

1565
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,640
then he also talked to the australian

1566
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,640
guy so he said i know the whole history

1567
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,400
of these i know where they came from it

1568
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,400
makes perfect sense a guy's writing a

1569
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:16,880
book with dr edgar mitchell mitchell

1570
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,559
passes the family says you want some

1571
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,880
files to finish the project gives the

1572
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:23,680
files to the guy

1573
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,640
the guy

1574
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,400
says to another australian researcher

1575
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,240
you want some of this he finds the

1576
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:31,200
documents he gets them put out there

1577
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,520
he shows up gives them to grant he shows

1578
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:35,599
up gives gives them to me

1579
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,520
gives them to danny danny puts them on

1580
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:40,160
inger you know and dolan sees the whole

1581
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,920
thing and you know so there you go it's

1582
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,440
no it's that you guys it's no big

1583
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,359
mystery and all the people out there who

1584
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,760
are going oh it's a script or something

1585
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,520
it's like you guys they're from edgar

1586
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,760
mitchell's file with a bunch of other

1587
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,920
knit stuff at the same time

1588
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:56,000
you know it's no mystery that this came

1589
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,319
from nids what kind of script is gonna

1590
01:04:01,510 --> 01:04:00,000
put these guys names in there too

1591
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,520
anyways right there are they gonna have

1592
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,839
fake names

1593
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,280
and and and

1594
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:07,520
and then that unique thing where grant

1595
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,520
and i both had i had

1596
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:11,200
meeting minutes with handwritten notes

1597
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,280
that say oak shannon and he has meeting

1598
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:15,599
men's agenda that come from oak shannon

1599
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,720
you know so there you go so we both knew

1600
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:20,400
wait this is legit because that's such

1601
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,039
an obscure name to have on there we knew

1602
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:24,960
and then dolan knew that's so obscure

1603
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:28,079
you know and and i and i so i called you

1604
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,599
know when i first

1605
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:31,039
knew all this and heard dolan talking

1606
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,079
about and

1607
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,559
i said don't say stuff i have answers to

1608
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,079
like he was asking questions so i called

1609
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,480
him i said richard i know those answers

1610
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,559
here you know

1611
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,079
and um

1612
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,920
and you know i didn't mean to get

1613
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:45,119
involved in this name way it just

1614
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,680
happened because i had those original

1615
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:48,960
because i studied the working group for

1616
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:51,200
30 years so

1617
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,280
and i knew the name of shannon and even

1618
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,119
even the guy in australia when he first

1619
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,520
showed him to me and he he grant had the

1620
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,520
same reaction he didn't know who oak

1621
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,960
shannon was

1622
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:04,640
but grant and i went oh my god this is

1623
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,640
legit have that obscured of a name

1624
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,079
there's a lot of

1625
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:12,480
obscure things in those

1626
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:13,440
david

1627
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,400
davis notes that uh you can't just

1628
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:18,799
look up on google and find like and i

1629
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,559
always go to this person named judith

1630
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,880
daley who's mentioned in those nuts yeah

1631
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,640
and i remember when i first read those

1632
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:26,880
and i was like i'm gonna look

1633
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,440
everybody up you know what they did and

1634
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,920
all this stuff and i looked up that lady

1635
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:32,799
and

1636
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,280
you know it took me a long time to to

1637
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,359
not to find judith dalys those were all

1638
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,520
over but to find one in the government

1639
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,680
in the position that she was at

1640
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:45,839
like on an actual government website and

1641
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,480
it took a while but i found this weird

1642
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,720
like kind of flow chart on this one

1643
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,200
website and her name is really tiny

1644
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,760
there but there it was yeah i followed

1645
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,440
how the hell would anybody know i

1646
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,799
followed when you were putting that

1647
01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:00,559
stuff out and talking about it i thought

1648
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,319
that was really great research on your

1649
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,720
point you know to look into that and

1650
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,720
yeah no i i followed and i thought that

1651
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:07,680
was great

1652
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:08,480
because

1653
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,400
about nids in the working group you know

1654
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,319
um

1655
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:18,559
did and i knew and i also knew the back

1656
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:20,079
history of

1657
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:20,960
of

1658
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,880
grier and people

1659
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,480
and the closed door sessions greer was

1660
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,160
having with people you know so that was

1661
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:27,520
known because greer was talking about

1662
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,559
that so uh so i knew that so that part

1663
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:32,640
of it made sense too

1664
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,039
which is they came to

1665
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:39,829
wilson because they they were sent to

1666
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,960
ask wilson about it wilson said gee i

1667
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:44,799
don't know but this is interesting and

1668
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:47,359
then he went on and asked further and he

1669
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,640
knew people that headed up the usapps so

1670
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:52,640
with these folks that he knew through

1671
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:53,920
his position

1672
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:56,960
um as in the dia and stuff is how he was

1673
01:07:02,950 --> 01:06:59,520
able to find out who to go talk to i

1674
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:02,960
mean it's it is such a logical trail

1675
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,039
when anyone knows the whole story you go

1676
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:07,760
this is this has got a complete logical

1677
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,240
scene all the way through it

1678
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:13,599
it's not a big mystery and now we have

1679
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:14,960
alexander

1680
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,000
at scu saying ask eric

1681
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,319
those are his notes he wrote them

1682
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:23,280
you know so there you go you know and

1683
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,160
and then

1684
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,160
i started to say is i think they were

1685
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,720
circling the wagons originally but i'm

1686
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:30,960
thinking because alexander did that at

1687
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,960
scu so casually

1688
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,640
and they were all there hanging out

1689
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:36,720
together a bunch of these guys i mean i

1690
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:39,280
have you know pictures of me in them

1691
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:42,640
that you go wait a second

1692
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,799
what if yeah back when i you know a year

1693
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,039
ago they had circled the wagons you know

1694
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,680
in the last two years and so and weren't

1695
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:51,280
going to say anything about this but

1696
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,720
once

1697
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:55,119
um the congressman who brought it up and

1698
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,799
read it into the record during the

1699
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:58,319
congressional hearings

1700
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:01,359
once that happened i think they realize

1701
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:05,200
oh wait a second so now i think eric is

1702
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,160
gonna

1703
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,480
be willing to say something because john

1704
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:10,960
said that that tells me and then

1705
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:13,839
immediately bob mcguire said and i saw

1706
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,200
them sitting out there but i wasn't

1707
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:17,199
really paying enough attention to catch

1708
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:18,560
on

1709
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:21,120
immediately after john alexander's talk

1710
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,759
john alexander eric davis gary nolan

1711
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:27,040
and

1712
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:28,719
um

1713
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:29,600
tim

1714
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:33,520
um

1715
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,309
and bob and others who noticed this said

1716
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,000
why is tim taylor a part of this

1717
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,719
discussion that was weird because tim or

1718
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:53,279
travis

1719
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,880
tim i'm not sure i'm asking anybody

1720
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,799
anyone who knows comment down below

1721
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:02,880
please let us know it might be travis

1722
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:17,669
travis okay

1723
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:29,669
if i get one thing right and it's travis

1724
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,390
why is he out there talking these guys

1725
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:36,239
was kind of odd but anyways but

1726
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:38,719
apparently

1727
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:42,799
right after john alexander's talk

1728
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,679
eric davis was

1729
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,080
livid bob said he kept bob mcguire said

1730
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,239
he kept you know cybot kept saying he

1731
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,040
turned and kept watching

1732
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,679
eric davis's face all through

1733
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,440
all through you know john alexander's

1734
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,199
talk because here's john alexander

1735
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,719
saying oh there's no crash retrievals in

1736
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,159
the talk

1737
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,920
and eric apparently was getting very

1738
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,480
upset about it so eric apparently they

1739
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:08,159
immediately go outside they're sitting

1740
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,679
outside yeah because it throws them

1741
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,080
under the bus yeah it

1742
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,080
and and and apparently they were having

1743
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,239
a heated discussion and it was eric

1744
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:18,960
davis gary nolan john alexander and

1745
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,199
travis taylor so this heated heated

1746
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,440
discussion is my understanding unless i

1747
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:25,040
have the wrong name bob if you listen to

1748
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,239
this i'm talking about the other wrong

1749
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:28,400
person but but i i know for a fact

1750
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,510
i don't want to be wrong you know i'm

1751
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,440
pretty sure but but but they were

1752
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,120
sitting out there and the thing was eric

1753
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,040
davis had a heated discussion and

1754
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,360
another lady there who i know

1755
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:43,520
apparently was photographing this so bob

1756
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:45,840
says there's photos like she took a

1757
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,159
whole series of photos and you can see

1758
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,560
eric looks fired up

1759
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,120
and and now

1760
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,600
and i said was there any apparent thing

1761
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:58,080
to think that that eric was upset that

1762
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:59,120
john

1763
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,640
pointed at him and said those are your

1764
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,760
notes

1765
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,760
and everyone who kind of saw this said

1766
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,719
no

1767
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,360
they had been already tense between them

1768
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:09,679
prior to this

1769
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:13,040
and then um

1770
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,560
but then

1771
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:16,880
it appeared that it was about the crash

1772
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,520
retrieval stuff you know and like you

1773
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:21,280
said he was throwing him under the bus

1774
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:22,400
and stuff so

1775
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:23,199
but

1776
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,400
got up there and said ask him they're

1777
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,159
his notes

1778
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:32,400
wasn't a joke everyone i know who was

1779
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,000
there and sought didn't think he was

1780
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,159
joking they thought he was just like

1781
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,640
saying yeah eric's here ask him like he

1782
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,400
wrote him so ask him

1783
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:42,320
and but not as a joke i would have took

1784
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:43,920
in that freaking microphone and went

1785
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,500
right there davis well sir

1786
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,120
[Laughter]

1787
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,600
and i kicked myself

1788
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:53,520
i miss this talk because i was

1789
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,400
interviewing

1790
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,320
a new mill lab case you know so i missed

1791
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,159
it but

1792
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,320
and and and so i need to go back and

1793
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:02,320
watch the recording of it but luckily i

1794
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,719
got that snippet posted today

1795
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,600
and uh and then after seeing the snippet

1796
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:08,880
posted by

1797
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:09,679
uh

1798
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:13,199
by bryce and rock and you know ross i

1799
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,480
then after posted by them i then called

1800
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:18,640
bob and said okay you were there

1801
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:21,600
you know give me a breakdown and tom

1802
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,480
because i wanted tom's feedback on what

1803
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,199
he had said about mj12 so anyway so

1804
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,520
there you go guys um

1805
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,679
and um

1806
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,239
you know i wasn't worried about missing

1807
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,880
john's talk because he's infamous for

1808
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:38,960
not necessarily being truthful in his

1809
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:41,040
presentations

1810
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:42,560
uh it's not the first time i've heard

1811
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,840
that yeah yeah yeah that's but lightly

1812
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:48,560
and i was and i was taking you know let

1813
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,199
me see here a new my lab case with a

1814
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,520
very advanced evidence-based case whose

1815
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:55,679
husband is a scientist and you know this

1816
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:56,719
big deal

1817
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,360
uh spending time with her helping her or

1818
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,280
listen to john hmm let me think about

1819
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:03,199
this no you know no contest there you

1820
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,280
know but then like i said i kicked

1821
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,520
myself because john said a couple of

1822
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,480
apparently very interesting things so um

1823
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,640
i recommend everybody look at that

1824
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:15,120
little clip again if if you follow me on

1825
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:16,480
twitter it's there

1826
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,470
that's right that's right

1827
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:30,159
l-i-n-n-i-e

1828
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:42,149
they posted it there because that's

1829
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:43,679
where i saw it

1830
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,159
with that uh let's save the mill labs

1831
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:48,080
and do a part two

1832
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:49,679
does that sound okay

1833
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,560
okay

1834
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:52,880
for another episode yeah i know i know

1835
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,199
because this i mean the working group

1836
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,679
i wonder what to

1837
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,600
understand out there

1838
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,320
i you know and shawn knows i i could go

1839
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:03,840
for a whole day just on the working

1840
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:06,159
group stuff i mean it's so much research

1841
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,480
30 years i could go for a whole day just

1842
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:11,360
on mill labs i mean it's so much

1843
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:12,400
both of these things i've been

1844
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:15,760
researching for 30 years and

1845
01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:16,719
and

1846
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,340
a lot of episodes

1847
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,400
[Laughter]

1848
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,040
that's right well i um i just did a

1849
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,760
little thing about my my lab more about

1850
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,000
my experiences than my research

1851
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:31,760
unfortunately because i wish it had been

1852
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,440
more about the research

1853
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,040
um

1854
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,600
with uh another video i just did that

1855
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,760
got posted yesterday i did a week ago

1856
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:41,679
that got posted yesterday with dr

1857
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,560
michael sala right so uh dr michael

1858
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:46,239
salas so um

1859
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,880
i'll i'll put that on twitter and

1860
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:50,800
facebook and stuff but if you go to

1861
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,880
michael salla on youtube

1862
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,679
uh

1863
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:55,199
you'll find that right away you know

1864
01:15:02,630 --> 01:14:59,280
michael sal on youtube and um and i go

1865
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,640
quite a bit into the lab stuff but um

1866
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,719
but it's it's so much fun to do

1867
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,400
interview with you sean i look forward

1868
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:08,800
to oh yeah questions about it you know

1869
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,719
yeah no it was great talking with you

1870
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:13,840
too um it i usually kind of go about an

1871
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,960
hour at this hour 15 is not bad at all

1872
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:18,640
but is that is that what we're at

1873
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:22,159
already at hour and 15. yeah hopefully

1874
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:28,870
did you have any last working group

1875
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,040
questions or anyone in the audience

1876
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:33,360
um ask me a specific working group

1877
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,719
question real quick

1878
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:37,280
i guess but uh i'll ask you a question

1879
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,640
is

1880
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,960
you know if somebody's in the ufology

1881
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,199
well as we are or interested

1882
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,159
how does this concern us should we be

1883
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:48,239
paying attention and if so what should

1884
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,040
we look for well

1885
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:53,760
as far as the working group yeah

1886
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:56,400
absolutely um they're such a part of the

1887
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,719
history these are all big players that

1888
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:01,120
have been in the field uh for quite a

1889
01:16:04,390 --> 01:16:02,000
while

1890
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,400
um they've had this

1891
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,000
group like you were saying earlier were

1892
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:08,239
they doing research are they are they

1893
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,040
manipulating you know ufology are they

1894
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,719
doing research

1895
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,960
both you know um

1896
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:17,040
are they involved directly with this

1897
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,760
current disclosure story right now yes

1898
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,600
in every way because you're talking

1899
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,159
about louis zondo and chris mellon and

1900
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,239
you're talking about to the stars

1901
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:28,480
academy and you're talking about how it

1902
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:31,120
formed why it came up you know

1903
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,880
how they approached along it's all part

1904
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:34,880
of that then you go into the whole

1905
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:37,760
skinwalker stuff because the

1906
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,239
the skinwalker background is awesome

1907
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,600
which was part of this right and asap

1908
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:46,080
begot a tip so a tip and awesome same

1909
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,520
thing asap was was bass

1910
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,520
it was bigelow aerospace advanced

1911
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,360
science studies getting funding from the

1912
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:54,960
government so the change in names was

1913
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:57,280
because it was no longer bigelow

1914
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,480
so now it's

1915
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,960
a name given to him by the pentagon so

1916
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,120
it became a pentagon project

1917
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,800
when they got funding from the pentagon

1918
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:07,360
but it was just a transfer from bastog

1919
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:08,239
sapp

1920
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,199
and

1921
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:11,760
was already doing skin walker that's

1922
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,480
that history is well established

1923
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:16,719
is well established and

1924
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,199
and the second skinwalker book gets well

1925
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:21,520
into it skin walkers at the pentagon

1926
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,400
yeah and then and then you know and and

1927
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,400
and it's jacques valet and his whole

1928
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,400
background and his involvement with

1929
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,040
these guys you know it's hal put off

1930
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:33,760
it's kit green it's gary nolan it's you

1931
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,719
know it's it come on you guys it's yeah

1932
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,560
it's and it goes back there's one here

1933
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,239
in history you know

1934
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,560
there's one um

1935
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,880
there's one person that's that's been on

1936
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,800
my mind and i haven't and i have a

1937
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:48,800
reason for this that's a pretty great

1938
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:51,120
reason but i haven't been able to get uh

1939
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,360
an answer from anybody on it and it's dr

1940
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:55,520
michael dukin does that sound familiar

1941
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,960
to you at all

1942
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,560
well i've heard the name

1943
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,800
it's not on my list of names on my

1944
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,320
slides now i'm not saying it's not

1945
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,760
involved because

1946
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:05,360
i've occasionally had other people

1947
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:06,880
coming forward saying i know of one or

1948
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:08,159
two other people that's not on there

1949
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,440
sure sure you know even though i have

1950
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,520
like you know i would have got 60 75

1951
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:13,440
names on there whatever it is yeah no no

1952
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,480
that's okay

1953
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:16,080
it's one of those where you'd probably

1954
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,120
know or not so you know yeah so that

1955
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,159
name i don't know now i'm not saying

1956
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:23,760
it's not involved it could just be a

1957
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:26,320
missing component and if anybody has any

1958
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:29,040
other stuff to offer on this

1959
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:30,719
you know if they look at my whole

1960
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,560
presentation and my slides and they go

1961
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,560
yeah we have we know more or something

1962
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,120
else or your or your timeline is wrong

1963
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:39,280
right here and here you know correct me

1964
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:41,679
i'm i'm always learning and randy and i

1965
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:44,000
every time we get new information we get

1966
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:46,400
a new part we insert it in the timeline

1967
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,320
we move things around you know it's it's

1968
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:51,520
it's constantly evolving research and

1969
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,480
and we got into it again because ed

1970
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,320
james told me something that blew my

1971
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,880
mind that turned out to be true

1972
01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:00,960
that caused me to start talking to these

1973
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,840
guys

1974
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:04,320
and then realizing all along they had

1975
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,080
this interest in abductions and

1976
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,400
abductees and they were funding that

1977
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:10,480
bigelow was funding abduction research

1978
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:13,120
studies the whole mufon carpenter affair

1979
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:13,840
with

1980
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,159
uh dr john carpenter and mufon buying

1981
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:18,800
his files was nids and and bass and you

1982
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,199
know pre-meds internets so you know you

1983
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,159
go okay there's a history here and and

1984
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:26,719
so i kept following what's their

1985
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,440
interest in abduction so that was what

1986
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:31,679
kept me really involved but i've learned

1987
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,080
so much more along the way and the

1988
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,440
importance for

1989
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:38,000
ufology is realizing these people have

1990
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,840
always had an interest in the abduction

1991
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:42,159
subject and have spent a lot of money

1992
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:43,760
researching it and researching abduction

1993
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:46,480
cases and paying for major abduction

1994
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,239
studies the whole um

1995
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,280
you know transcription project um and

1996
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:55,120
the uh uh

1997
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,239
the mit stuff and then you go back to to

1998
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,800
uh the um

1999
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:02,800
unusual personal experiences which was

2000
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,920
the results written up from the um roper

2001
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:07,840
poll that was done that whole abduction

2002
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,760
roper pull stuff that was all paid for

2003
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,600
by bigelow i mean this is you know this

2004
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,679
is established history and you go what's

2005
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:15,520
their was

2006
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,440
you can't study modern ufology without

2007
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:19,920
coming across these guys and it leads

2008
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,120
all the way up to what is going on right

2009
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:25,760
now disco disclosure and elizondo and

2010
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,560
melon meeting with congress and and the

2011
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:30,960
military witnesses come for it and how

2012
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:33,280
all those closed-door sessions had to

2013
01:20:37,990 --> 01:20:36,320
the gillibrand rubio amendment to

2014
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:38,000
the formation of the permanent

2015
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:39,679
department at the pentagon i mean you

2016
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:41,840
guys it's all related

2017
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:44,320
and these guys are closely related to

2018
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,280
all of it and always have been

2019
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:49,520
last question is it for the better

2020
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,310
well

2021
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,400
i was just having the same discussion

2022
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:59,120
with bob and tom today exactly

2023
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:00,159
i said would have been like we're going

2024
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:06,390
they were a separate group originally i

2025
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:08,400
also thought that they were very much in

2026
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,080
it for technology stuff like they all

2027
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:12,080
work for aerospace corporations while

2028
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:13,520
they're involved in this thing and and

2029
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,040
other corporations and i thought what's

2030
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:17,199
this all about they're trying to learn

2031
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,800
the technology and get the upper hand to

2032
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,239
build stuff

2033
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,840
which by the way is one of the major

2034
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:24,320
factors why mill labs happen it's their

2035
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,239
interest in the technology now i'm not

2036
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:28,960
these guys are like outsiders with one

2037
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:31,440
foot in or different times had different

2038
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:34,560
covert positions but kind of remained as

2039
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:37,440
an ad hoc group you know is my feeling

2040
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,040
here okay

2041
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,719
but

2042
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,480
then you go well wait a second if they

2043
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,480
brought us current disclosure if these

2044
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,480
guys

2045
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,480
teamed up with long and did this stuff

2046
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,639
and and there's a connection going

2047
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,159
forward into what we're getting out of

2048
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,239
disclosure but you can look at that and

2049
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,320
say yes the first time that's happened

2050
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,480
in 53 years with open congressional

2051
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,440
hearings and you know you can go that's

2052
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:03,679
well it's not in the end like

2053
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:05,199
tom whitmore and i were just discussing

2054
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:06,480
at length today

2055
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,639
it's it's steps towards disclosure it's

2056
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,520
not disclosure yet but it's strong steps

2057
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:13,840
and the biggest steps we've had in the

2058
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,120
in 80 years history of formal ufology

2059
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,360
you know so you go okay you know i never

2060
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:22,000
expected i'm sure all of us could say we

2061
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:23,600
never expected to see this in our

2062
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:26,480
lifetimes you know so here we are

2063
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,120
and see so so answer your question could

2064
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:31,440
that be perceived as good yeah i don't

2065
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,960
think you can see that as anything but

2066
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:34,719
good it's not perfect

2067
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:37,440
but it's taken us

2068
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,239
right now but but for years were these

2069
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,960
guys coming forward with what they knew

2070
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:44,239
no

2071
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,239
yes did they buy

2072
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:50,239
mufon files and stuff and sit on them

2073
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,760
absolutely yes so you go wait a second

2074
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,600
this wasn't always about we're going to

2075
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:57,120
share information

2076
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:58,239
right

2077
01:23:01,910 --> 01:23:00,080
and what has been their agenda all along

2078
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,920
well it's been about the technology and

2079
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:03,360
abductions

2080
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:06,639
you know so you go wait a second and and

2081
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,480
so

2082
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:10,880
but do we not you know bite the ham that

2083
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:25,030
we forgive you for that though by the

2084
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,669
to say okay we're getting disclosure

2085
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,400
and and and yet these guys their history

2086
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,920
is questionable

2087
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:33,199
without a doubt

2088
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,719
and um

2089
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,080
and and

2090
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:38,400
and not all of them are talking you know

2091
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:39,920
right

2092
01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,560
for everything john alexander said at

2093
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:44,719
scu

2094
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:46,000
and everything gary knowle and

2095
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,679
everything eric davis is saying how much

2096
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,440
are they not saying you know what and i

2097
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:51,040
gave them oh yeah

2098
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:52,000
we're all talking about they all have

2099
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:54,400
ndas we get we get it they have ndas

2100
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:56,480
they still have security clearances and

2101
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,199
that's holding back

2102
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,880
but for years they had stuff they didn't

2103
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:03,360
need to sit on and yet they did right

2104
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,400
and i questioned that so there we go

2105
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:08,639
i'm left asking the same questions is it

2106
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,120
good or bad i what can we have a little

2107
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:13,120
bit of both okay there you go yeah i

2108
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:13,840
think

2109
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:16,400
such is life right that's right

2110
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,600
yeah all right melinda well um i really

2111
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:21,280
appreciate your time it was a really

2112
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:22,880
pleasure i i love your energy it's

2113
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:25,040
really easy to talk with you and i have

2114
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,800
a really great time doing it and and i

2115
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,719
knew i'd have a good time doing this

2116
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:30,320
with you and i knew your audience you

2117
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:31,440
know hopefully i'm not being ripped

2118
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:34,159
apart in the comments because you know

2119
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,120
because

2120
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,120
i thought your audience was going to

2121
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:39,920
appreciate the information and um

2122
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:42,000
you know i i was telling sean you guys

2123
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,840
ahead of time i do get a hard time in

2124
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:46,000
the field i i don't know if it's because

2125
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:47,120
i'm

2126
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:49,600
female and heavyset and

2127
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:50,880
middle age

2128
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,639
or or or a very strong minded opinion

2129
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,400
or i talk about something that's scary

2130
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,880
and uncomfortable you know i i whatever

2131
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:00,239
it is

2132
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,560
i think it's the latter i do and

2133
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:04,960
confidence was something that's uh like

2134
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,840
that that's scary and uncomfortable yeah

2135
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:10,080
that may be a big part of it and yet

2136
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,760
it's like you guys i've been doing the

2137
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:13,679
i've been in the field for 32 years i've

2138
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:16,560
been doing this research for 30 years

2139
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:20,000
i i make a point to have all my research

2140
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:21,679
be evidence-based

2141
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,679
i kind of i i unfortunately get to the

2142
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:25,440
point where i turn away 11 abduction

2143
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:26,719
cases because they don't have evidence

2144
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,199
because i'm because i have so much i'm

2145
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:31,520
like i only focus now on the cases with

2146
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:33,760
evidence um i mean i'll send them on to

2147
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,199
other people don't get i make sure they

2148
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:37,120
get help and if they need help and i

2149
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:38,800
recommend therapists and stuff to them

2150
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,679
of course but i'm saying as far as my

2151
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,840
research for me to look at a case it's

2152
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:45,679
got to have evidence

2153
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,080
isn't it uh insane how much evidence

2154
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,080
there is in this field oh there's so

2155
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,840
much

2156
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:54,080
i'm like it just frustrates yes i'm here

2157
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:56,320
it frustrates the thank you sean i'm

2158
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:57,600
with you it's frustrating people don't

2159
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,320
like to read yeah amen they don't like

2160
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,159
whatever either they don't like the

2161
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,480
stuff they wanted handed it to him on a

2162
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,400
platter and you guys they just want a

2163
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:08,159
video and they don't realize when they

2164
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:09,520
get the perfect video they're not going

2165
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:12,159
to believe it anyways yeah yeah yeah you

2166
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,280
guys

2167
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:15,760
this field requires evidence it requires

2168
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:18,080
reading it requires knowing your history

2169
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:19,199
that's one thing in this current

2170
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:21,760
disclosure thing every you know golden

2171
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:23,199
[\h__\h] is about all time and other people

2172
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:24,960
i agree with them we're not getting the

2173
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,840
history you've got to know the history

2174
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:30,560
you got to go back and do the work and

2175
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:32,719
um and and it just takes following it

2176
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,800
doing a lot of reading keeping up

2177
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,760
keeping an open mind you know but

2178
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,000
it does i've been in it for 32 years

2179
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:42,159
it's a lot of work and and but i i

2180
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,760
appreciate people like yourself young

2181
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:46,320
people who are smart coming to the field

2182
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:49,440
asking the right questions you know

2183
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,639
and you not only are doing the

2184
01:26:54,229 --> 01:26:52,400
interviews which are research based but

2185
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:54,239
you're presenting documents

2186
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:55,280
i am

2187
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:56,639
yeah

2188
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,800
stuff too so i think the job

2189
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,960
i appreciate you and it's perfect timing

2190
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:02,480
because you're breaking up

2191
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:04,960
and i got like 10 minutes till the pizza

2192
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,350
we interrupt pizza

2193
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:13,280
thanks uh thanks everybody in the chat

2194
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:15,040
bob everybody else

2195
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,719
uh you take care

2196
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:18,480
i love doctor and we'll do it again real

2197
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:19,280
soon

2198
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,159
because i know we intended to today but

2199
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,400
you guys this is just yeah i i knew once

2200
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,120
we got into this stuff it's

2201
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,960
i think i started with the right thing

2202
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,960
yeah yeah is that that's good that's

2203
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,120
good it's timely and it's exactly in

2204
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:35,040
line with something's going on right now

2205
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:36,159
um

2206
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,840
but the mill lab stuff i can get into a

2207
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,600
lot with the research and it dovetails

2208
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,199
with this like i said these guys always

2209
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,360
have an interest in abductees it does

2210
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:45,120
dovetail so part two

2211
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,440
part two that's right i look forward to

2212
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:50,000
it sean thank you all right me too bye

2213
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,239
bye

2214
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:54,719
all right everybody i had a great time

2215
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,280
with melinda i hope you did too

2216
01:28:02,709 --> 01:27:59,840
um i'll catch you on the flip side i did

2217
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,719
four shows in a row this week that is

2218
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:04,800
kind of insane

2219
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:06,719
so i'm going to take a couple days off

2220
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,360
and i'm sure i will see you

2221
01:28:13,990 --> 01:28:12,000
next week i'm up to my ears and fbi

2222
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,000
documents at the moment which is just

2223
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:16,239
proof after proof after proof after

2224
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,000
proof so i can't wait to put those

2225
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:19,760
together and share them with you and i

2226
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,040
will do that soon but until then

2227
01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:26,000
have a great night a great few days